Federal Reserve and Tax Fact Dumping Ground

NOTE: I am not intentionally causing civil unrest or disobedience. I am just stating items I have come to learn through my 1st Amendment right. The PATRIOT Act and the Military Commissions Act cannot touch me.

INCOMPLETE

I’m really tired. Tired of all the lies and misinformation that is spreading around the United States. This particular group of misinformation is in regards to the Federal Reserve, so I’m going to post as many facts as I can find in relation to said system. I’m not going to format it, organize it, or try and intentionally persuade in any way, shape, or form. If your opinion changes, it is simply because its all here.

– Passed in 1913, the 16th Amendment established the Federal Reserve, a central bank for the United States.
– The Federal Reserve Act was passed during what is essentially Christmas vacation for Congress, and if a state does not have legislators in Congress at the time a bill is passed, its vote is not counted(They cannot vote if they aren’t in the session).
– The Federal Reserve is not actually federal, it is a private bank entrusted with the powers Congress gave to it.
– Congress does not coin money, despite what the Constitution says. They buy the money from the Federal Reserve, with money that was given to them by… the Federal Reserve.
– The 16th Amendment does not give the government any new powers of taxation.
– Income Tax law is an unapportioned tax, therefor unconstitutional, therefor illegal.
– Most Income Tax revenue does not enter government circulation. It pays the Federal Reserve which is, again, a privately owned bank.
People are free to ignore an IRS summoning for unpaid income tax. People are free to They may still receive letters, but they are only enforceable with a federal court order.
– The total debt incurred by our Republic pre-Bush II was less than 2 trillion(in inflation dollars), while it grew by 2 trillion under Bush II, in just the first four years.

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5 Responses

  1. Passed in 1913, the 16th Amendment established the Federal Reserve, a central bank for the United States.

    The Fed was established by statute, and has nothing directly to do with the 16th Amendment.

    – The Amendment was passed during what is essentially Christmas vacation for Congress, and if a state does not have legislators in Congress at the time a bill is passed, its vote is not counted.

    12th July, actually, by a quorum of Congress.

    – The 16th Amendment does not give the government any new powers of taxation.
    – Income Tax law is an unapportioned tax, therefor unconstitutional, therefor illegal.

    The 16th gives no new power to tax; it simply removes the apportionment requirement. Thus, you’re incorrect.

    – People are free to ignore an IRS summoning for unpaid income tax. They may still receive letters, but the IRS cannot enforce them.

    Untrue. IRS summonses are not in themselves legally-binding documents, but they can be legally enforceable via Federal court.

  2. Arguing semantics is acceptable I suppose.

    Passed in 1913, the 16th Amendment established the Federal Reserve, a central bank for the United States.

    The Fed was established by statute, and has nothing directly to do with the 16th Amendment.

    Text from amendment:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Nothing to do directly with the 16th? Without it, the Fed couldn’t even exist, as until H. R. 7837 was passed, the tax was unconstitutional, therefor illegal.

    The Amendment was passed during what is essentially Christmas vacation for Congress, and if a state does not have legislators in Congress at the time a bill is passed, its vote is not counted.

    12th July, actually, by a quorum of Congress.

    The text in full is on another website, and lists the date enacted to the left, but you could also do a quick look at wikipedia as well, and it states

    The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch.3) is the act of Congress that created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, which was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

    in the very first line. and I never said it didn’t have enough people to hold session, but once again, if a state does not have legislators in Congress at the time a bill is passed, its vote is not counted.

    The 16th Amendment does not give the government any new powers of taxation.
    Income Tax law is an unapportioned tax, therefor unconstitutional, therefor illegal.

    The 16th gives no new power to tax; it simply removes the apportionment requirement. Thus, you’re incorrect.

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    While I was wrong on the apportionment statement, the 16th DOES grant new powers in both granting Congress the ability to use an unapportioned tax AND the ability to lay a tax on incomes whatsoever.

    People are free to ignore an IRS summoning for unpaid income tax. They may still receive letters, but the IRS cannot enforce them.
    Untrue. IRS summonses are not in themselves legally-binding documents, but they can be legally enforceable via Federal court.

    I will edit the page to read thus: People are free to ignore an IRS summoning for unpaid income tax. They may still receive letters, but are only enforceable with a court order.

    Most of your statements were dead wrong, and a little research would have made the rest of your comment much more intelligent.

  3. You said that the Amendment was passed during the winter holiday, not the Federal Reserve Act. And no, it doesn’t have anything to do directly with the 16th Amendment. The Fed actually predates the 16th Amendment.

    A tax on incomes was always Constitutional, and the 16th did nothing to change that, nor did it grany any additional taxing power to Congress. It simply removed the apportionment requirement. Congress has been able to tax anything it pleases right from the beginning.

    As to this idea that Representatives and Senators have to stick around after a vote or the Bill is not passed, I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Once a vote has been cast, the caster is free to do whatever he feels like; there is no requirement that he be present thereafter.

    Frankly, your comment about doing research is a little misplaced, given that you seem to have such a poor grasp on the issue; then again, that’s a common problem with conspiracy theorists.

  4. The Fed could not do anything WITHOUT the 16th. And no, you are STILL wrong.
    The 16th was ratified February 3, 1913, and the Fed was enacted December 23, 1913. The 16th was ratified almost a full year prior to the Federal Reserve Act.

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Congress did NOT have the power to tax incomes unapportioned pre-amendment.
    I think you are confusing the clause in Article 1 in the Constitution which says

    The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

    No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    All I am saying is that striking the apportionment clause invalid grants MANY more powers in terms of taxation.

    As to this idea that Representatives and Senators have to stick around after a vote or the Bill is not passed, I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Once a vote has been cast, the caster is free to do whatever he feels like; there is no requirement that he be present thereafter.

    If they aren’t there, they cannot vote. Plain and simple. Only 68 Senators were able to vote on this issue at all.

    And its a bit of a stretch to say I am a conspiracy theorist when I have made NO mention of any conspiracy at all. It is also a stretch to say I haven’t researched this topic, considering that it is plainly obvious I have.

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